longball11
May 27, 09:35 PM
Is this a thread for how to get the beta? Or is this about how well the game works on Macs...?
smugDrew
Apr 20, 06:13 PM
As soon as Sandybridge based MBA's arrive, I'm buying.
Don't want an outdated C2D and Nv's video chipset, I've seen the HD3000 in action and it's very good. Does everything I want and much more.
Don't want an outdated C2D and Nv's video chipset, I've seen the HD3000 in action and it's very good. Does everything I want and much more.
sebastianlewis
May 15, 02:30 PM
I do still prefer my titles as they are more user-friendly and product centric rather than type centric. For example with your way is that iPod Touch software would be in a different place from iPod Touch hardware. But your layout does have the advantage of less options to click on and it is still a lot better than the existing layout.
The point was to be type-centric rather than product centric because it can be used as a net for all future products as well, while with your proposal, we might need to be adding or removing categories depending on how Apple changes their product lineup, and this way, we can cover the individual pieces of each product, so for example, the iPod touch software is essentially the same as the iPhone software minus the drivers for a few other pieces of hardware and minus a couple of phone specific applications. So if Apple were to create ANOTHER product that used the same software, we can just add the differences between the software to the "iPhone OS" page. The iPod touch as a subset of the iPhone shouldn't even have it's own page, but instead should be mentioned in the main iPhone article in it's own section and we can set the iPod touch page to automatically redirect to that section.
I don't believe that either nail it on the head. While they're both a vast improvement, the proposals still need a little work in my view.
While I don't have anything to lay on the table right now, I'll come back and post when I've had thinkies.
Hmm, well I think mine was simple and to the point, but I look forward to your proposal as well, but if you're looking for ideas here's a brief outline of why I proposed a type specific approach:
1. Minimize Confusion by minimizing categories and subcategories.
2. Minimize clicks by minimizing categories and subcategories
3. Maximize the usefulness of the Macrumors Guides to everybody, not just the average user, and not just Macrumors users (it would still drive traffic to Macrumors though).
4. It would cover a network of related technologies and not just Apple's products and services helping new users get the most out of their new hardware purchase (as I understand it, many new Mac users and maybe iPhone users now also end up on Macrumors looking for help, advice, and to join the Mac User community).
5. Also serve as a reference for older and experienced users.
Sebastian
The point was to be type-centric rather than product centric because it can be used as a net for all future products as well, while with your proposal, we might need to be adding or removing categories depending on how Apple changes their product lineup, and this way, we can cover the individual pieces of each product, so for example, the iPod touch software is essentially the same as the iPhone software minus the drivers for a few other pieces of hardware and minus a couple of phone specific applications. So if Apple were to create ANOTHER product that used the same software, we can just add the differences between the software to the "iPhone OS" page. The iPod touch as a subset of the iPhone shouldn't even have it's own page, but instead should be mentioned in the main iPhone article in it's own section and we can set the iPod touch page to automatically redirect to that section.
I don't believe that either nail it on the head. While they're both a vast improvement, the proposals still need a little work in my view.
While I don't have anything to lay on the table right now, I'll come back and post when I've had thinkies.
Hmm, well I think mine was simple and to the point, but I look forward to your proposal as well, but if you're looking for ideas here's a brief outline of why I proposed a type specific approach:
1. Minimize Confusion by minimizing categories and subcategories.
2. Minimize clicks by minimizing categories and subcategories
3. Maximize the usefulness of the Macrumors Guides to everybody, not just the average user, and not just Macrumors users (it would still drive traffic to Macrumors though).
4. It would cover a network of related technologies and not just Apple's products and services helping new users get the most out of their new hardware purchase (as I understand it, many new Mac users and maybe iPhone users now also end up on Macrumors looking for help, advice, and to join the Mac User community).
5. Also serve as a reference for older and experienced users.
Sebastian
magikpants
Oct 16, 04:16 PM
seriously, I want both.
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rdowns
Apr 23, 07:35 AM
Take it from a New Yorker, he's a ****ing windbag who lies about everything and I mean everything. Just do a bit of Googling.
Would you want Donald Trump as our president? I am really on the fence for this one.
What could possibly have you on the fence? Was it the birther issue? Him taking his casinos into bankruptcy 3 times? His Iraq solution to just "take all the oil"? His China solution to renegotiate? His general I'm a dumb, rich, ****ing American badass attitude? His public feuds with Rosie O'Donnell?
This is the first time I am allowed to vote so I am paying attention to politics more than ever. I mean it would be good to have a completely loaded president so he "can" spend some of his money for the economy, which Trump says he will do.
LOLz. His wealth is way over-estimated. He couldn't pay for our military for more than a week or two before going broke, if that.
We all know that all politicians are liars though. Trump has changed his mind about a lot of things such as abortion, socialism, and Obama's health care plan. A little while back Trump voted for the three previous things I said but has recently changed his mind. This makes me think he will be unstable when it comes to decisions as a president. Also I don't take him seriously. So what do you think about Trump for president?
Trump is on record having an opposite position on every issue that he has weighed in on. Pathetic.
So how can you be on the fence and not take him seriously?
Would you want Donald Trump as our president? I am really on the fence for this one.
What could possibly have you on the fence? Was it the birther issue? Him taking his casinos into bankruptcy 3 times? His Iraq solution to just "take all the oil"? His China solution to renegotiate? His general I'm a dumb, rich, ****ing American badass attitude? His public feuds with Rosie O'Donnell?
This is the first time I am allowed to vote so I am paying attention to politics more than ever. I mean it would be good to have a completely loaded president so he "can" spend some of his money for the economy, which Trump says he will do.
LOLz. His wealth is way over-estimated. He couldn't pay for our military for more than a week or two before going broke, if that.
We all know that all politicians are liars though. Trump has changed his mind about a lot of things such as abortion, socialism, and Obama's health care plan. A little while back Trump voted for the three previous things I said but has recently changed his mind. This makes me think he will be unstable when it comes to decisions as a president. Also I don't take him seriously. So what do you think about Trump for president?
Trump is on record having an opposite position on every issue that he has weighed in on. Pathetic.
So how can you be on the fence and not take him seriously?
SevenInchScrew
Jun 22, 12:55 AM
There's something online that says a month of Gold for $1, but I don't want to have to auto-renew after that not knowing the price.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think in order to get the $1 deal, you have to be renewing your membership, not starting it. I don't remember exactly, but a friend of mine tried doing this a while back, and it didn't work. I just stick with the subscription cards for both Live and for MS Points.
I have seen a 12-month card at Amazon for $35. They need an idiot's guide to this...
Yea, if you look around, you can usually find the 12-month cards for under $40. As you found, Amazon is always a good place to start.
Halo 3 so far is a little confusing because I have never used an Xbox controller and it's been years since I played a game like this.
If you end up getting Xbox Live Gold, let me know if you want a co-op partner for some Halo. I'm always game for some Halo, and have played it a ton, so I can help you figure things out if you need. My gamertag is the same as my username here.
...plus I wish I could plug up my existing HDDs!
If it connects with USB, you can. If you are wanting to use this for extra Xbox storage, make sure you have everything off the drive before doing this, because the Xbox will need to format it for use.
So thanks again for the advice. If anybody knows something REALLY fun to play that isn't too expensive, I'd love to know.
Not only are these some pretty affordable games, they also just happen to be 4 of my favorites as well. Can't go wrong there.
Crackdown, $13
http://www.amazon.com/Crackdown-Xbox-360/dp/B000HCQK0A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277185353&sr=1-1
Geometry Wars 2, $10
http://www.amazon.com/Geometry-Wars-Evolved%C2%B2-Online-Xbox-360/dp/B001LRQ8TI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277185424&sr=1-1
Portal: Still Alive, $15
http://www.amazon.com/Portal-Still-Alive-Online-Xbox-360/dp/B001LRQ974/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277185461&sr=1-1
Rez HD, $10
http://www.amazon.com/Rez-Online-Game-Code-Xbox-360/dp/B001LRQ988/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277185509&sr=1-1
I'm not 100% sure, but I think in order to get the $1 deal, you have to be renewing your membership, not starting it. I don't remember exactly, but a friend of mine tried doing this a while back, and it didn't work. I just stick with the subscription cards for both Live and for MS Points.
I have seen a 12-month card at Amazon for $35. They need an idiot's guide to this...
Yea, if you look around, you can usually find the 12-month cards for under $40. As you found, Amazon is always a good place to start.
Halo 3 so far is a little confusing because I have never used an Xbox controller and it's been years since I played a game like this.
If you end up getting Xbox Live Gold, let me know if you want a co-op partner for some Halo. I'm always game for some Halo, and have played it a ton, so I can help you figure things out if you need. My gamertag is the same as my username here.
...plus I wish I could plug up my existing HDDs!
If it connects with USB, you can. If you are wanting to use this for extra Xbox storage, make sure you have everything off the drive before doing this, because the Xbox will need to format it for use.
So thanks again for the advice. If anybody knows something REALLY fun to play that isn't too expensive, I'd love to know.
Not only are these some pretty affordable games, they also just happen to be 4 of my favorites as well. Can't go wrong there.
Crackdown, $13
http://www.amazon.com/Crackdown-Xbox-360/dp/B000HCQK0A/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277185353&sr=1-1
Geometry Wars 2, $10
http://www.amazon.com/Geometry-Wars-Evolved%C2%B2-Online-Xbox-360/dp/B001LRQ8TI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277185424&sr=1-1
Portal: Still Alive, $15
http://www.amazon.com/Portal-Still-Alive-Online-Xbox-360/dp/B001LRQ974/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277185461&sr=1-1
Rez HD, $10
http://www.amazon.com/Rez-Online-Game-Code-Xbox-360/dp/B001LRQ988/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1277185509&sr=1-1
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marksman
Apr 14, 02:25 PM
I rated Negative, so should you. Please, move to Page 2.
People who don't understand what they rating system is for should be suspended for a couple of times to contemplate it.
This is real and confirmed information that could indicate any number of things for Apple... thus is fine for page 1.
Since you don't understand that, and since you think the rating of stories is to determine what page they belong on, you fail.
People who don't understand what they rating system is for should be suspended for a couple of times to contemplate it.
This is real and confirmed information that could indicate any number of things for Apple... thus is fine for page 1.
Since you don't understand that, and since you think the rating of stories is to determine what page they belong on, you fail.
mbprouser
Mar 13, 11:16 AM
VZW iPhone with no issues.
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hismikeness
Mar 23, 01:24 PM
Streaming straight to a TV would be nice. I have a TV dedicated to movie watching, so if I could stream without having any other device (ATV2) hooked to it, not only could I use the ATV2 for another TV, but I wouldn't have anything on the cabinet appearing unsightly.
aughsum
May 3, 09:20 AM
If I had to guess why some white iPhone 4s look thicker, I'd say it's because eBay scammers bought aftermarket white parts, put them on black iPhones and sold them as factory white iPhones.
/common sense.
/common sense.
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cheesemonster24
Mar 25, 02:45 PM
A co-worker and I called around and found three 16gb at a store. Went to get one apiece and luckily got the last two. They were reluctant to sell them to us for some reason though. :D
revelated
Apr 13, 11:31 PM
Why would they do that? Support for Exchange 2003 is going away. Microsoft gave a roadmap 5 years ago which showed companies when to start planning Exchange upgrades.
Here's the deal. Exchange is one of those Microsoft products that they made too damn well. To the point there really isn't a value to upgrading. If anything it's harmful to do so as they started removing critical features such as journaling. Then you talk about the thousands and thousands of dollars to invest to make such a change only to kill off valuable features, and I don't blame companies for not rushing to get off of it. Same deal with Windows 7 - some companies are doing it, but most aren't, because there isn't a compelling enough reason to spend that money, especially not in large enterprises.
Microsoft knows that. That's why the Windows version of Office 2010 fully supports Exchange 2003. Don't sit here and try to defend them - there IS NO defense. They gutted the Mac version for one reason - they don't want Mac users to have a version of Office that is similar or superior to what Windows users have. Why would they?
Anyone who seriously believes the fairy tale about dropping support for Exchange I ask you - why then does Microsoft support it still in 2010 Office and always have? Betcha don't have a valid answer, but I do. Microsoft knows the game and how to play it.
Here's the deal. Exchange is one of those Microsoft products that they made too damn well. To the point there really isn't a value to upgrading. If anything it's harmful to do so as they started removing critical features such as journaling. Then you talk about the thousands and thousands of dollars to invest to make such a change only to kill off valuable features, and I don't blame companies for not rushing to get off of it. Same deal with Windows 7 - some companies are doing it, but most aren't, because there isn't a compelling enough reason to spend that money, especially not in large enterprises.
Microsoft knows that. That's why the Windows version of Office 2010 fully supports Exchange 2003. Don't sit here and try to defend them - there IS NO defense. They gutted the Mac version for one reason - they don't want Mac users to have a version of Office that is similar or superior to what Windows users have. Why would they?
Anyone who seriously believes the fairy tale about dropping support for Exchange I ask you - why then does Microsoft support it still in 2010 Office and always have? Betcha don't have a valid answer, but I do. Microsoft knows the game and how to play it.
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citizenzen
Apr 5, 10:00 AM
Here's the gist of the problem: too generous state worker union pensions.
Pretty sweeping statement without a source.
You'll have to do a little better than that. :rolleyes:
Pretty sweeping statement without a source.
You'll have to do a little better than that. :rolleyes:
MacRumors
Oct 9, 03:02 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)
Target has joined Wal-Mart (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=2006-10-09T181443Z_01_N09273960_RTRUKOC_0_US-RETAIL-TARGET-LETTER.xml&WTmodLoc=InternetNewsHome_C2_internetNews-2) in cautioning major movie studies that digital movies could hurt retail DVD sales.
Target's letter from President Gregg Steinhafel noted that movie studio downloads were less expensive than DVDs, according to the newspaper. The letter also said that if the pricing did not become more equitable, Target would reconsider its investment in the DVD business, the paper said.
Wal-Mart was recently cited (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060922134714.shtml) as warning Movie Studios that there could be consequences if more movie studies joined in digital movie distribution alongside Disney.
Disney's Present of Home Entertainment has reportedly met with Target executives to stress that digital distribution remains a small market.
Target has joined Wal-Mart (http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=internetNews&storyID=2006-10-09T181443Z_01_N09273960_RTRUKOC_0_US-RETAIL-TARGET-LETTER.xml&WTmodLoc=InternetNewsHome_C2_internetNews-2) in cautioning major movie studies that digital movies could hurt retail DVD sales.
Target's letter from President Gregg Steinhafel noted that movie studio downloads were less expensive than DVDs, according to the newspaper. The letter also said that if the pricing did not become more equitable, Target would reconsider its investment in the DVD business, the paper said.
Wal-Mart was recently cited (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060922134714.shtml) as warning Movie Studios that there could be consequences if more movie studies joined in digital movie distribution alongside Disney.
Disney's Present of Home Entertainment has reportedly met with Target executives to stress that digital distribution remains a small market.
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InfoSecmgr
Apr 6, 03:38 PM
That has nothing to do with the hundreds of billions we dump on weapons that don't even get used.
It has everything to do with it. You simply have no concept of what goes on in the military unless you are in or work for them. You really think what you hear in the news is the way it is? Wow.
It has everything to do with it. You simply have no concept of what goes on in the military unless you are in or work for them. You really think what you hear in the news is the way it is? Wow.
Rdclark
Apr 15, 11:55 AM
In January Consumer Reports surveyed over 58,000 of its subscribers on the quality of their cell phone service, with categories for voice, data, customer service, and coverage.
Both overall and localized for 26 different US cities, Verizon far outperformed AT&T in this survey.
It's customary for the tech community to scoff at Consumer Reports' findings, and often with very good reason. But if you ask 58k people, mostly the sort of middle-class folks that are typical CR subscribers, how satisfied they are with their cell phone service, the results IMO can't be easily dismissed. In this large sample, far more people were very unhappy with AT&T than with Verizon.
I found this -- as a person buying an iPad 2 as
1. a netbook/iPad/GPS/e-reader replacement, who
2. neither owns nor wants a smartphone, and who
3. spends nearly 100% of his time in large American cities
--to be a compelling argument in favor of Verizon. Far more compelling than any anecdotal evidence, which is all I see in this thread.
After a month with my 64GB white 3g iPad, I've had no reason to regret my choice. Verizon has never failed to connect, never dropped a connection, never seemed particularly sluggish (although I wait for wifi to download large files), and their pricing seems to fit my usage patterns more economically than AT&T's would have.
My point: it's possible for a rational person to research and analyze this question and come up with Verizon as an answer, and then be happy with that choice. Contrary to some assertions otherwise.
Both overall and localized for 26 different US cities, Verizon far outperformed AT&T in this survey.
It's customary for the tech community to scoff at Consumer Reports' findings, and often with very good reason. But if you ask 58k people, mostly the sort of middle-class folks that are typical CR subscribers, how satisfied they are with their cell phone service, the results IMO can't be easily dismissed. In this large sample, far more people were very unhappy with AT&T than with Verizon.
I found this -- as a person buying an iPad 2 as
1. a netbook/iPad/GPS/e-reader replacement, who
2. neither owns nor wants a smartphone, and who
3. spends nearly 100% of his time in large American cities
--to be a compelling argument in favor of Verizon. Far more compelling than any anecdotal evidence, which is all I see in this thread.
After a month with my 64GB white 3g iPad, I've had no reason to regret my choice. Verizon has never failed to connect, never dropped a connection, never seemed particularly sluggish (although I wait for wifi to download large files), and their pricing seems to fit my usage patterns more economically than AT&T's would have.
My point: it's possible for a rational person to research and analyze this question and come up with Verizon as an answer, and then be happy with that choice. Contrary to some assertions otherwise.
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Tomorrow
Apr 28, 09:13 AM
so a prius does the same amount of damage to a road as full size RV?
It might - read below.
Highly doubtful it's even twice as much 'damage'. An extra 1000lbs rolling along on the same type of rubber tires isn't going to increase wear all that much.
It's not weight that damages the roads, it's pressure. Too much weight concentrated on too small a space is what damages asphalt (and concrete, to a far lesser extent). That's a function of pressure in the tires - two vehicles with the same tire pressure are doing the same amount of damage to the road, regardless of their respective weights.
True enough, a truck weighted down with a full load might have 60 psi in the tires, whereas most passenger cars are in the 30-35 psi range. But in this sense, a small car and a big car (or light truck) are doing about the same amount of damage to the road.
Here in north Texas, it's very true that the majority of damage to the roads comes not from any vehicle, but from unstable soil underneath the roads. I imagine there are many places across the country where this is true.
It might - read below.
Highly doubtful it's even twice as much 'damage'. An extra 1000lbs rolling along on the same type of rubber tires isn't going to increase wear all that much.
It's not weight that damages the roads, it's pressure. Too much weight concentrated on too small a space is what damages asphalt (and concrete, to a far lesser extent). That's a function of pressure in the tires - two vehicles with the same tire pressure are doing the same amount of damage to the road, regardless of their respective weights.
True enough, a truck weighted down with a full load might have 60 psi in the tires, whereas most passenger cars are in the 30-35 psi range. But in this sense, a small car and a big car (or light truck) are doing about the same amount of damage to the road.
Here in north Texas, it's very true that the majority of damage to the roads comes not from any vehicle, but from unstable soil underneath the roads. I imagine there are many places across the country where this is true.
mrsir2009
May 3, 01:53 PM
Alright, here we go Apple: I *will* buy a 13" MacBook Air on the day of the next refresh if it can have:
- Core i5 processors (Won't happen)
- SD card slot (Already has one)
- backlit keyboard (Good chance it will have one)
- integrated 3G/LTE (Its a laptop, not a cellphone)
- 10-hour battery life to match the iPad (Don't see how the battery can get any bigger)
A tall order, of course, but one can hope.
Hey Apple: I'll still buy one even if you don't quite manage to fit in the last two (but please try to increase battery life anyway).
- Core i5 processors (Won't happen)
- SD card slot (Already has one)
- backlit keyboard (Good chance it will have one)
- integrated 3G/LTE (Its a laptop, not a cellphone)
- 10-hour battery life to match the iPad (Don't see how the battery can get any bigger)
A tall order, of course, but one can hope.
Hey Apple: I'll still buy one even if you don't quite manage to fit in the last two (but please try to increase battery life anyway).
hcho3
Apr 21, 02:01 PM
So, it's most likely they are going do these things.
1. One device that will work on both VZ and AT&T network
2. 32GB and 64G storage.
3. 1080P recording with 8 megapixel camera
4. A5 chip
5. Maybe higher ram or maybe not.
6. Throw in something new... like better gyroscope or something to just make iPhone 4 outdated, but nothing major.
This is BS. It's not good enough, apple.
1. One device that will work on both VZ and AT&T network
2. 32GB and 64G storage.
3. 1080P recording with 8 megapixel camera
4. A5 chip
5. Maybe higher ram or maybe not.
6. Throw in something new... like better gyroscope or something to just make iPhone 4 outdated, but nothing major.
This is BS. It's not good enough, apple.
Winni
Apr 15, 03:17 AM
As a datacenter manager ? Quite the contrary, those are 3 big data center experiences right there.
As a product manager ? I'd agree with you.
Let's see...
Most successful desktop operating system: Microsoft Windows.
Most successful server operating system: Microsoft Windows Server.
Most successful office suite: Microsoft Office.
Three good reasons (and there would be more like Exchange Server, Sharepoint Portal, SQL Server, Visual Studio) to also have confidence in the man if he were hired as a product manager.
Like it or not, Microsoft still is the most IMPORTANT software company around, and they don't hire incompetent idiots either.
As a product manager ? I'd agree with you.
Let's see...
Most successful desktop operating system: Microsoft Windows.
Most successful server operating system: Microsoft Windows Server.
Most successful office suite: Microsoft Office.
Three good reasons (and there would be more like Exchange Server, Sharepoint Portal, SQL Server, Visual Studio) to also have confidence in the man if he were hired as a product manager.
Like it or not, Microsoft still is the most IMPORTANT software company around, and they don't hire incompetent idiots either.
pugnut
Jan 4, 09:53 AM
Whoever advised them to not put the maps onboard and download as needed, needs to be fired- poor decision.
liavman
Apr 26, 02:17 AM
Thanks kainjow. That gives me an idea. I need to fly back to Chicago. There is this black hole period between 6 to 11 P.M. pacific where no flights leave for Chicago (because departures during that time put the landing time in Chicago when the airport there is closed for landing.) I need to leave before that, take the red-eye, or leave Saturday. If most of the stuff will be done by 2 or 3 P.M. then I can try for that last flight before the black hole sets in.
When do they publish the actual schedule as to what happens on each day?
When do they publish the actual schedule as to what happens on each day?
krayziekray
Jan 7, 01:29 PM
There needs to be a way to manually sync contacts, as not all my contacts in my phonebook have the same name as Facebook (i save them as nick names, family names etc).
:apple: KrayzieKray :apple:
:apple: KrayzieKray :apple:
cookieme
Oct 26, 02:05 PM
I just came back from the store.
Incidentally, they are *not* offering *any* form of student discount on Leopard here. No higher education discount and no standard discount. Full price or family pack price only.
This is not TRUE I just showed them my univeristy ID and I got the discount. Btw when I came to the store it was about 18:15 and although the queue stretched around the block it only took 10 min before I was in the store and got my hands on a copy of leopard.
No tshirt unfortunately, which simply means that by 10pm tonight the Apple Store at Regent street will by my estimation have sold a few thousand copies. Amazing how an operating system can cause such interest, but that's what Apple do well. :D
Incidentally, they are *not* offering *any* form of student discount on Leopard here. No higher education discount and no standard discount. Full price or family pack price only.
This is not TRUE I just showed them my univeristy ID and I got the discount. Btw when I came to the store it was about 18:15 and although the queue stretched around the block it only took 10 min before I was in the store and got my hands on a copy of leopard.
No tshirt unfortunately, which simply means that by 10pm tonight the Apple Store at Regent street will by my estimation have sold a few thousand copies. Amazing how an operating system can cause such interest, but that's what Apple do well. :D
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